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+====== Second meeting ======
-====== Other reading ======
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+===== TOPIC OF THE SECOND MEETING: =====
+<WRAP caution>
+==== Higher conditioned states ====
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+==== Key points: ====
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+  * Consciousness expansion does not equal Supreme Sanity (Enlightenment)
+  * Instances of nirvana are //not// caused, compounded, fabricated, conditioned states
+  * Beyond Creation (Being) vs within creation
+</WRAP>
+</WRAP>
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+===== EXCERPT =====
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+EXCERPT: Looking for pleasure is a source of pain,
+yet we cover the embers with so many ashes
+that awhile we cannot feel the burn.
+Thus, we consolidate our habit of clinging to the ember
+and so sooner or later we will burn our hand.
+([[http://new.brozkeff.net/domains/new.brozkeff.net/bb-bm-bh/Capriles-Loops.pdf|source]])
+</WRAP>
+<WRAP download>
+**Recording of the session (4 participants)**:  [[http://www.anymeeting.com/brozkeff/EC51DF85874F]]
+</WRAP>
+</WRAP>
+<WRAP column 35%>
+===== RECOMMENDED TEXTS: =====
+<WRAP download>
+  * Capriles, E. (2011, v.3.0): “Ascending in the Wheel: The Error of Striving to Achieve Higher Conditioned States”. In //[[http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/humanidades/elicap/en/uploads/Biblioteca/bb-bm-bh.part-ii.pdf|Beyond Mind, pp. 377-391]]//
+  * Zahler, L. (2009). //Study and Practice of Meditation: Tibetan Interpretations of the Concentrations and Formless Absorptions.// Ithaca, NY: Snow Lion. [[http://uma-tibet.org/KCJMWP_Condensation_JYSP_Cons_Abs.pdf|PDF]]
+</WRAP>
+<WRAP box>
+Down on this page you can find some notes from that text. You can add your own notes and comments and share it with others.
+</WRAP>
+</WRAP>
+<WRAP clear></WRAP>
+===== Some notes from texts =====
+==== Zahler - REFUTATION [OF MISTAKEN OPINIONS] ====
+**First debate**
+//Incorrect position:// In [someone having] a physical basis of the three bad
+transmigrations or [the northern continent] Unpleasant Sound, there is
+[retention of ] possession of actual meditative absorptions already attained.
+//Correct position:// It follows that that is incorrect because whoever is a
+person of an upper realm who is about to die and who is definite to be
+reborn in [a bad transmigration or Unpleasant Sound] in the next birth
+necessarily degenerates from the actual meditative absorption of that
+[upper realm]. This is because (1)  whoever is [a person of an upper
+realm who is about to die and who is definite to be reborn in a bad
+transmigration or Unpleasant Sound] necessarily manifests gross craving, and so forth, which is included within the level of the Desire Realm
+and (2) a person who simultaneously possesses in his or her continuum
+manifest afflictions of the Desire  Realm and an actual meditative absorption does not occur. ([[http://uma-tibet.org/KCJMWP_Condensation_JYSP_Cons_Abs.pdf|p. 353]])
+==== Reminder about the analog territory / digital maps ====
 Imminent death has been predicted for analog since the advent of the PC.  But it is still here; in fact, analog ICs have been growing at almost